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Intent.
Upon the web, we as communicators lack all of the vast scope, the innumerable nuances of intonation, the slightest raise of an eyebrow, the soft or hard Paddington Bear stare available to those of us who have more than a thumb for a head when face to face; even by voice on the telephone so much more can be conveyed. It is exceedingly easy to take someone the wrong way across the aether, (as the photographer said to the bishop).
Humour (points above), is relative, (Bob’s your uncle and Fanny is indeed his wife), and can be specific to single countries, different regions of said countries, nay even different streets at times. One should bear all this in mind when judging, or finding ourselves judged be the stem comedic in nature or not.
Emoticons, whilst indicative of intent, do not necessarily make a huge difference, in fact they may well make an unfortunate situation all the worse from my observations. One should not take everything at face value. That book cover you espy, yet have never examined beyond a cursory flicker through a few random pages may well hold a completely different story to the one assumed upon first glance. In the same vein, an apparently well worn tome can still surprise, and this is no bad thing, some people are so multi-faceted they resemble disco balls. Not everyone reveals their balls though. Thankfully.
This is not to say we cannot end up so offended or affronted by humour or flippancy that the line in the sand ends up with footprints set in concrete for all eternity upon it. It happens – however, if one is deeply hurt by such a transgression, I would put forth the proposition that there are deep rivers of care and respect for said transgressor, and perhaps rather than tearing off coats and having it out in a public forum at high noon, having sent out invites to the whole web to come and watch the fall-out, one might be better off putting cards on the table in private messages.
Just a thought.
(I appreciate mind you that should you have been accused of some heinous activity or crime, labelled as something that you know to be more than hurtful, say completely untrue, then clearing one’s name publicly is sometimes absolutely necessary.)
Esme has not had any issues in this area, (or at least none she has been made aware of), and is referring to no specific murky waters she personally has been unfortunate enough to find herself wading through, and this may well have something to do with her (potentially extremely irritating) insistence on explaining her actions by means of asterisks all the bloody time, just as she is about to now –raises both a glass of JD and an eyebrow, smiling whilst eyeing a pea shooter on the Cloud next to her should she get any trouble from the marauding masses.
She has however, in the past few months, observed some damning fall out from such miscommunications – friendships damaged, or destroyed – in some cases lost down vast chasms – and yet doggedly, I see sometimes, one or the other of the two concerned in the altercation is seen to begin the long haul back up to the surface. Which speaks of something deeper than mere blogging acquaintanceship methinks. I do hope they all make it to level ground. No one travels in straight lines.
The above mentioned explanatory trait of esme’s happens to come naturally to the kind of creature she is, but has proven useful she believes in communicating mood and…intent.
This is not to say everyone else should start cartwheeling, chucking sticky buns and mooning at folks. By the Gods, where would it all end?!!
In beers most likely. As usual.
- The Cloud.
PorterGirl said:
Was literally just about to start mooning at folks. But if we can skip straight to the beers, I could be dissuaded.
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
The good news is that the mooning usually follows the beers anyway. Light up the sky misses! Hahahahaha
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PorterGirl said:
Hurrah for that! Mooning it is!!
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None Other Then Hannah said:
Oh I love this 🙂 Being on the autism spectrum in real life things sometimes misunderstood indeed. But in the long run I’ve learned to ‘scratch my boobs and move on’ and have been so much saner for it…Love your thought processes and writing doll keep it up…this autie other salutes you!
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
Why thank you Hannah, that’s a good point and I appreciate you saying you like my way up here on the Cloud – beams a smile at her .
“But in the long run I’ve learned to ‘scratch my boobs and move on’ and have been so much saner for it” – A superb outlook and a cracking phrase which I shall pocket for myself – laughs and does so.
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Hariod Brawn said:
Such a warm, touching and wise little entreaty, and how well-received it ought deservedly be in the blogosphere, where opinions are often expressed with such ferocity that one occasionally wonders if some thrive on controversy or unreasoned contrariness. That said, then such fallouts as you allude to seem few in said space,
and I only ever have been involved in one of that kind myself, for which I must take my full share of the blame. One can harm the feelings of others, not by intent, but by unthinking insensitivity – surely a condition we all have at some time inadvertently fallen foul of. The best thing to do, I feel, is to hold one’s hands up, acknowledging one’s transgression (be it real or imagined) and hope the other can accept one’s sincerity in so doing. If they cannot, little more can be done, and they must be left to carry their now self-inflicted burdens as they will. Things tend to right themselves in the end, I find, and if our attempts to ameliorate in the present fail, then time can be trusted in to heal emotional wounds as it will. Bridges are only rarely worth burning. Well done, Esme; this is wonderful, and as much from the caring heart as the sagacious mind you clearly possess. H ❤
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
“how well-received it ought deservedly be in the blogosphere” – I guess we’ll see about that, but I hope so – smiles. Thank you for your candid response too Hariod, it’s often hard for folks to shoulder any blame when these fall-outs occur, sincerity is literally all in communication, and most specifically when it comes to apologies – the giving and receiving of which should be always be handled with some thought and care.
“Things tend to right themselves in the end” – It will all come out in the wash – nods – yes I think this is quite true. I could chuck in some reaping and sowing but the wash works perfectly methinks.
“and as much from the caring heart as the sagacious mind you clearly possess” – Thank you so much for these words, I am in good company here with you if it is the case – smiles broadly.
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The Pink Agendist, née Mr. Merveilleux said:
“The best thing to do, I feel, is to hold one’s hands up, acknowledging one’s transgression (be it real or imagined) and hope the other can accept one’s sincerity in so doing.”
No. Absolutely not. Progress depends on things being hashed out and the better argument rising to the surface. It may not look like it immediately but that is what eventually happens with persistence and determination 😛
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Hariod Brawn said:
I agree with you, Pink, and think the wires have become a little crossed in your objecting to my thoughts. Let me explain myself further, if you will:
In the above comment, I am talking about situations in which there is a real transgression, meaning that one has crossed the bounds of decency, or politeness, or fair banter, and caused hurt, whether intentionally or not, to a particular person and by reference to them – be that referencing alluded or direct. This sort of situation is what Esme is writing about here i.e. very largely, misunderstandings. She is not discussing mere differences of opinion on impersonal subjects in which both sides understand, yet object to, the counterargument.
You, it appears (you will correct me if I am wrong), are thinking of the latter – i.e. generic arguments – which are impersonal, and in which both sides understand the other’s opposing position. There, I agree, and my own site has a fair amount of that type of reasoned debate. It acts as a learning process, if not for both, then for one or other of the sides, and a mutual understanding may arise. Things can still get heated, as well we know from recent discussions surrounding gender issues, and which you have written on so eloquently and convincingly. People get neurotically attached to their opinions, but reason can work within that constraint.
Over to you my friend.
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The Pink Agendist, née Mr. Merveilleux said:
But the question is: what do we do about the people who are congenitally, professionally and perpetually offended?
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Hariod Brawn said:
Pink, Spinoza puts it well in his Theological-Political Treatise:
“Freedom to philosophise may not only be allowed without danger to piety and the stability of the republic, but that it cannot be refused without destroying the peace of the republic and piety itself. . . a government that attempts to control (wo)men’s minds is regarded as tyrannical, and a sovereign is thought to wrong their subjects and infringe their right when (s)he seeks to prescribe for every (wo)man what (s)he should accept as true and reject as false, and what are the beliefs that will inspire them with devotion to God. All these are matters belonging to individual right, which no (wo)man can surrender even if (s)he should so wish. . . Utter failure will attend any attempt in a commonwealth to force (wo)men to speak only as prescribed by the sovereign despite their different and opposing opinions … The most tyrannical government will be one where the individual is denied the freedom to express and to communicate to others what (s)he thinks, and a moderate government is one where this freedom is granted to every (wo)man. . . The right of the sovereign should be restricted to (wo)men’s actions, with everyone being allowed to think what he will and to say what (s)he thinks.”
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Professor Taboo said:
Hariod/Pink,
Applause for both comments.
Pink, I do agree that persistance and determination are excellent qualities toward refined progress. I call that concept: learning to “Fail Better“; one I’m all for! It is even more significant and received if it is all done in a civil, dignifying manner for all parties involved. On more intimate levels — spouses, partners, lovers, etc. — the constructive dynamics might vary, but the raw honesty, intensity, respect, and vulnerability should not.
Hariod, all great points. I would simply and humbly add that a mixture of patience and empathy — two qualities I find often lacking in parts of the U.S. — can NEVER BE in too much abundance on sensitive controversial issues, issues both private or public.
Good commets, both of you. (warm smile)
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Hariod Brawn said:
Thanks for taking an interest, Professor, as I do in your own thoughts, naturally and always. I’m not totally clear on what you’re saying though. Why can patience and empathy ‘never be in abundance of sensitive, controversial issues?’ I daresay you and I both can listen patiently to Donald Trump and understand empathically [i.e with a theory of the other’s mind] that he is a psychopathic demagogue? laughs, but makes a serious point
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Professor Taboo said:
Apologies Hariod, Esme, Pink and others. You caught a typo I didn’t catch prior to clicking “Post Comment”. Perpahs Esme can soon correct my error, and clean up this part of the thread.
I meant to say/type: “…that a mixture of patience and empathy — two qualities I find often lacking in parts of the U.S. — can NEVER BE in too much abundance on sensitive controversial issues, issues both private or public.”
I forgot to go back and add those 3 words, but I got interrupted here at that time. Grrrrrr… see what happens Professor when you get in a hurry? (wink)
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
I’ve done as requested Prof, it’s so easily done, I’ve often left out a few crucial words when typing. smiles – ok everyone, let’s take this from the top again – claps the clapper boards and shouts ‘Action!’
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Professor Taboo said:
Hahaha! But…but WAIT Lady Director! I seem to have misplaced my jester’s hat and curly slippers! (winks & sticks out tongue)
Seriously though, many thanks my Dear! (hand on heart bowing)
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makagutu said:
What Hariod has said.
Best to add, if time can’t heal the problems, at least we know death will be the end of it.
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
Dark, yet quite true. Thank you Mak smiles.
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Professor Taboo said:
This subject Esme and your handling of it is a treasure indeed! To say your wisdom and class here is exemplary would be a tragic understatement. So… let me overstate it for clarity and breathe… (big grin)
BY THE GODS MARRY ME WOMAN!!!
At least send me your identical twin! (wink)
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
What, sight unseen?!! Hahahahaha. Thank you for the offer Professor, but I’m afraid I am pledged to the Cloud alone, (though I’ll admit to having an eye for Jack Frost on the dark winter nights, but I’d rather keep that under my wings).
I appreciate what you are saying though, joking aside – shakes his hand.
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Professor Taboo said:
…and not saying? Hahaha. (wink with humble smile)
I thought of a number of prime blogging examples of exactly what you speak of and as the fine Hariod eloquently stated, “One can harm the feelings of others, not by intent, but by unthinking insensitivity…” oh my am I often guilty of insensitivity along with ignorance — growls & grumbles. For me, I have found stoic patience wrapped in balanced empathy with a touch of humour to be a good sedative in tense, hyper-sensitive discussions. Of course, HUMILITY is perhaps the best medicine… something which eludes me in the worst times I think. (large fretting smile)
As in face-to-face interactions, there is an Art of Enjoyable Intriguing Conversation in writing-blogging too. In that, I feel I will always be an earnest student. Some days I write well, others like a child. Speaking and listening (in person) seems to be my strong suit, especially in “my element.” Yet, due to my Explorer mentality, I often dance myself into… umm, VIVID circumstances. Perhaps like I’m doing now. HAH!
I did say a lot right now of what I wasn’t saying, did I not? (perplexed face) How then can you POSSIBLY resist this (strikes a pose!) melting verbose gentleman-ish swooning my Lady Esme!? (massive grin)
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
“For me, I have found stoic patience wrapped in balanced empathy with a touch of humour to be a good sedative in tense, hyper-sensitive discussions.” – Patience is a tricky one as people tend to bark straight back when going away to take the time to think about the situation might be the most productive path. Or going away to think of some diabolical revenge involving pins and vinegar. Whichever works best.
I don’t think you have a problem with humility Prof, from what I’ve seen that is. Plus kindness. A humongous ego yes – falls about and then hides behind the sofa – but in discussions the humility is there for sure. – nods And a healthy ego can be a good thing when wielded well I always think.
“Some days I write well, others like a child.” – Is it this child?
No, don’t be perplexed, all is well. I thought it was perspexed at first as I could see right through it. falls about
You can dance however you wish to upon the Cloud sir, everything barring line dancing that is, which has been recently proven by a team of top scientists to cause excessive flatulence and boils on ya bum.
“How then can you POSSIBLY resist this” – Seen four or five and you’ve seen them all Prof, (or so they say, ahem), but thank you for reminding me to add walnuts and a baby courgette to my shopping list.
For all the jests, I do appreciate the time taken on your comment and content within Professor – *smiles at him and hands him his clothes which are all now washed and neatly ironed barring the mouth gag and spiked harness, he can do them himself *.
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Professor Taboo said:
Hahahaha!
Such a very kind reply Esme. Thank you — (bows with a smile & tip of hat). Yes, that hypnotized boy lost in the ghostly orb is EXACTLY where I float… here upon the Clouds! (wink)
“Humongous” ego? Indeed. And it is complimented by other humongous humble parts! Like the HUMONGOUS smile I have when I read your blog! (massive grin) My question earlier should have been “How can I resist the invigorating Lady Esme!?”
Ahh, I can see you’ve been to Texas… where we don’t learn how to ‘dance’ beyond a circular (snoring) NASCAR oval circuit with our bum boils and large lone starry gaseousness. (Texas-size grin)
— *glady accepts laundered pressed clothing… Apologies the ball-gag and Mad-Max harness somehow found its way into my Steampunk outfit. Just put those items out of mind and I shall be more astute — ‘On the ball’ as they say — as to wear I stick my things. Yes? (gives warm innocent smile of gratitude)
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
No apologies necessary Professor, I can’t imagine how such items would have got there, probably planted by some mischief-maker no doubt – laughs.
Thank you for your visit, it is never a dull one eh? Hahahaha.
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makagutu said:
Well said Esme.
I have witnessed conversation turn from ugly to very ugly on the blogs. One wonders if they met, would end up in a fist-fight.
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
Cheers mak, things cam get beyond heated, and sometimes with good reason, however taking stock along the way is prudent methinks. smiles
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rung2diotimasladder said:
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard this subject talked about in high comedic style. Bravo to a post well-written!
“One should not take everything at face value.” 🙂
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
Thank you Tina, well written has me smiling happily – we often shoot without scoring, getting a ‘bravo’ is a cause for celebration gets the best china tea set out and slips a drop of brandy in the pot for them both
esme having tiffin with Tina in the sun upon the Cloud
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Hariod Brawn said:
Um . . . ‘idiotmaster’?
H ❤
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
Hahahahahahaha. – pegs it behind the settee and hides for the rest of the day
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
Pardon my first reply Tina, Hariod pointed out to me that I’d rearranged the letters of your blog name to say ‘Idiotmaster’, for which I do apologize. However ‘Idiotmaster’ is actually a great name for a blogger I reckon hahahaha.
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rung2diotimasladder said:
Idiotmaster suits me fine. 🙂
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Esme upon the Cloud said:
It can only be a compliment. Idiot master upon the Cloud would have been a cracking moniker I reckon, though I don’t think I’d have many followers then, hahahaha.
esme sorry once again anyway upon the Cloud
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rung2diotimasladder said:
No worries! (And I’m sure Idiot master upon the Cloud would have tons of followers.)
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