Breeding for a business

Written By: - Date published: 9:00 am, August 18th, 2009 - 29 comments
Categories: benefits - Tags:

In 2002, John Key (then a free-speaking backbencher) told the Sunday-Star Times: “We’ve seen enormous growth in the number of people on the DPB, and where people have been, for want of a better term, breeding for a business”

Of course, it wasn’t true that DPB numbers were growing – they’re down 16% over the last ten years. Nor is it true that women are “breeding for a business” but that myth lies at the heart of National’s campaign against beneficiaries. The attack on the two mothers, the release of figures on the number of families getting more than $1000 a week – they know the reactionaries will jump up and down about the level of payments because they believe that the mums had their kids just to get more from the DPB. National is purposely creating the impression that these women are living in luxury on the taxpayer’s dime and having more kids to buy a better life-style.

Which is just bollocks. Raising a child is estimated to cost $250,000 to the age of 18. That is $13,888 per annum, $267 a week. The DPB does not even come close to that figure. A sole parent gets $272.70 on the DPB*. In addition, the family tax credit (which you get if you’re employed too, it’s part of Working for Families) pays $86 to $100 a week for the first child and $60 to $90 for subsequent children. There’s the accommodation supplement too but, starting at just $45 a week and maxing at $225 for the parent and two or more kids in Auckland, it’s not going to cover the rent.

The basic DPB leaves only about $100 a week for the mother to support herself. The $267 cost of each additional child is nowhere near covered by the family tax credit. Any additional children just means mum has to stretch an already threadbare budget even further.

It’s simply laughable to think that someone struggling to get by on the DPB would think having another child was a solution to their cash woes. Yet, National persists with fuelling the reactionary fires. They ought to be ashamed of beating up our most vulnerable families for their political gain.

[hattip to Maynard J for the email this post is based on]

29 comments on “Breeding for a business ”

  • Comments are now closed

  1. mickysavage 1
    18 August 2009 at 9:08 am

    Since when have the facts stopped the dissemation of prejudice amongst the ignorant?

  2. Tigger 2
    18 August 2009 at 9:35 am

    Wanted: Angry mob to march trhough village hunting down beneficiaries. Start immediately. Must bring own pitchfork and torch. Experience not required but small-mindedness a bonus.

  3. millsy 3
    18 August 2009 at 9:40 am

    This is hatemongering at its worst.

  4. Lanthanide 4
    18 August 2009 at 9:59 am

    And yet:
    “Well-off families rort system:
    More than 9700 families receiving Working for Families credits own rental properties and are using losses on them to boost the amount they get from the taxpayer.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2761239/Well-off-families-rort-system

    I guess Blinglish thought it was only fair that he should get his time at the trough, too.

    • Pascal's bookie 4.1
      18 August 2009 at 10:13 am

      Yeah, it’s cool that with the $1000 dollar benne bash, the solution is to audit them, but with the trusty trustificeriaries the solution is Tax Cutz.

      • Lanthanide 4.1.1
        18 August 2009 at 12:13 pm

        It seems like a universal income and a flat tax rate kills the scheme rather easily.

        Give everyone 10k and set the tax rate at like 30%, and then increase the base income depending on the number of children you get, to the same value as what WFF gives now. That way it doesn’t matter if you hide your income in a trust or not – it’s still taxed at 30%, and since trusts aren’t people they aren’t eligible for the base universal income.

  5. BLiP 5
    18 August 2009 at 10:06 am

    You’re right – National Inc is hatemongering and, yes, it is the worst sort; having already displayed its willingness to put the boot into any beneficiary or public servant that dares to dissent, it continues its bashing of the most vulnerable in society – the children of John Key’s beloved “underclass”.

  6. Tom Semmens 6
    18 August 2009 at 10:31 am

    Crsby-Textor PR:

    Week 1:
    DPB mum’s getting well over the average wage, yet still feel they need more.

    Week 2:
    307 families get over $1000 a week – clearly suspicious, obviously breeding for a living.

    9700 families rort WFF to get a tax break.

    Week 3:
    THE SYSTEM IS IN CRISIS! WASTE AND ABUSE EVERYWHERE! MINISTER SAYS TIME FOR A ROOT AND BRANCH “RESTRUCTURING” OF THE WELFARE SYSTEM!!

    • just another student 6.1
      18 August 2009 at 10:50 am

      Sadly I have to agree with you Tom, its beginning to look like a not so clever wee plan to repeat the “cuts” of the 90’s again. I had the privilidge (note sarcasm) of working in the system at that time and seeing just what affect it had on people.

      Meanwhile SNG applications have risen 75% and foodbank parcels 40% (other foodbanks may have even had greater rise than the one quoted in NZ Herald) showing that people are already struggling more than ever.

  7. millsy 7
    18 August 2009 at 10:58 am

    Where the hell is the Maori Party on all this?? They went on and on about looking after the poorest parts of society, here is a direct threat, and their mouths are shut. Too busy playing with their baubles and hobnobbing with iwi elite…

    Like their ancestors, they sold their people down the river for a few tokens.

    • Tigger 7.1
      18 August 2009 at 11:09 am

      No Millsy, they’re busy working behind the scenes to ensure that they protect ‘their people’ – you know, wealthy, right-wingers…that is who they represent, right?

    • Swampy 7.2
      22 August 2009 at 11:15 pm

      They’re saying that welfare is evil and that Maori shouldn’t get it. Quite refreshing to see the iwi leaders don’t tow the Labour ideological line.

  8. Samuel Konkin 8
    18 August 2009 at 11:06 am

    Of course, the $250,000 figure is based on the average. Many of those who receive benefits live in areas with lower costs of living, and their alternatives are often not great. That is, living on the DPB may be better than their other options.

  9. Tom Semmens 9
    18 August 2009 at 11:30 am

    Where is the Maori Party? Fiddling while Rome burns… Errr, I mean consulting widely on what flag they want flown at their political funeral in just over two years.

  10. millsy 10
    18 August 2009 at 11:44 am

    Ah yes, the Maori Party see that a peice of cloth is more important than the purchasing power of the people who voted them in..

  11. Observer 11
    18 August 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Go for the accountants!

    One I knew managed to have NO INCOME AT ALL, despite being a partner in a big-4 firm, and so was able to live off benefits in a five bedroom mansion owned by ahis wife’s family trust.

    It’stime to simplify the system so it doesn’t have all these loopholes, then it will be equitable for all.

  12. Maynard J 12
    18 August 2009 at 2:46 pm

    What, no wing-nuts to try and argue their point? What a friggin surprise. Pack of wimps.

    • aj 12.1
      18 August 2009 at 3:56 pm

      As an example of the low level of understanding/sympathy from some people, I was speaking to a single eldery person, never married, owns his own home, and has a large shareholding.
      – didn’t know the minimum wage
      – thus didn’t know how it relates to benefit levels
      – can’t understand the difference between him ‘coping’ on super and bringing up 1,2,3 or more children on a benefit

      • Maynard J 12.1.1
        18 August 2009 at 4:16 pm

        The truth is, aj, that 99% of the nutty folk out in talkback land and tradememessageboardland, would, when confronted with the facts of a specific situation, probably agree that it is fair enough.

        This could happen to them 1000 times over.

        But they would still be convinced that somewhere, somehow, people are rorting the system. And, fact is, they would be right; however, I am not sure if you could ever convince those people that in fixing it, you will ‘get’ a small minority of abusers, while adversely affecting the large majority of legal, needful recipients.

        Thus we see the same beginning with WFF.

        If you explained some cases to the person in question, I believe he would sympathise.

  14. bobbity 14
    18 August 2009 at 5:59 pm

    “It’s simply laughable to think that someone struggling to get by on the DPB would think having another child was a solution to their cash woes.”

    It’s simply laughable to think that a young woman in NZ might be drowned by family members trying to lift a curse by pouring water down her throat, and in her eyes.

    ……. Who’s laughing ?

  15. Frank Macskasy 15
    18 August 2009 at 8:10 pm

    How To Become A Real Bludger…

    1. Become a politician…
    2. Live in Wellington…
    3. And apply the out-of-town living accommodation allowance.

    Then, when you get found out, put on a mournful look and complain that you don’t want to be away from your family (even they are living with you in Wellington).

    Works a treat.

    If that isn’t successful, release the names of a few beneficiaries and put out that the bludgers are eating BREAD, instead of just plain sawdust! That’ll rouse the wrath of the Great Unwashed and deflect attention from you.

    Definitely works a treat!!

    (Extract from “My Life as a Hard Working MP”, by Bill English)

    • Tigger 15.1
      18 August 2009 at 9:17 pm

      I’m sure I read a similar list in Phil Heatley’s book ‘It’s Important to Keep My Little Family Together’…

    • Swampy 15.2
      22 August 2009 at 11:16 pm

      “How To Become A Real Bludger

      1. Become a politician ”

      That’s easy is it?

  16. Shrimp 16
    19 August 2009 at 4:35 pm

    To raise a child costs $575 per fortnight. Having 2 children makes it $1157 per fortnight. Bloody hell, I have never earned that much and then with the parents also requiring a bit of cash to survive it says to me that the figure was just plucked form the air with no reality involved. C’mon people, get real. If this it what is being used to base spending tax dollars then someone needs to take a look.

  17. Swampy 17
    22 August 2009 at 11:20 pm

    The claim is in a paper being prepared by the government to get more money from liable parents, it’s an own goal however misleading it is.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill passes first reading
    The Coalition Government’s Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill, which will improve tenancy laws and help increase the supply of rental properties, has passed its first reading in Parliament says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “The Bill proposes much-needed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act 1986 that will remove barriers to increasing private ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago

  • Montecassino Commemorative Address, Cassino War Cemetery
    Standing here in Cassino War Cemetery, among the graves looking up at the beautiful Abbey of Montecassino, it is hard to imagine the utter devastation left behind by the battles which ended here in May 1944. Hundreds of thousands of shells and bombs of every description left nothing but piled ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago

  • First Reading – Repeal of Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989
    I present a legislative statement on the Oranga Tamariki (Repeal of Section 7AA) Amendment Bill Mr. Speaker, I move that the Oranga Tamariki (Repeal of Section 7AA) Amendment Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Social Services and Community Committee to consider the Bill. Thank you, Mr. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 hours ago

  • First reading of 7AA’s repeal: progress for children
    The Bill to repeal Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act has had its first reading in Parliament today. The Bill reaffirms the Coalition Government’s commitment to the care and safety of children in care, says Minister for Children Karen Chhour.  “When I became the Minister for Children, I made ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 hours ago

  • China Business Summit 2024
    Kia ora koutou, good morning, and zao shang hao. Thank you Fran for the opportunity to speak at the 2024 China Business Summit – it’s great to be here today. I’d also like to acknowledge: Simon Bridges - CEO of the Auckland Chamber of Commerce. His Excellency Ambassador - Wang ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    9 hours ago

  • Assisted depatures from New Caledonia
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has confirmed a New Zealand Government plane will head to New Caledonia in the next hour in the first in a series of proposed flights to begin bringing New Zealanders home.    “New Zealanders in New Caledonia have faced a challenging few days - and bringing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago

  • Assisted departures from New Caledonia
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has confirmed a New Zealand Government plane will head to New Caledonia in the next hour in the first in a series of proposed flights to begin bringing New Zealanders home.  “New Zealanders in New Caledonia have faced a challenging few days - and bringing them ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago

  • Government to rollout roadside drug testing
    The Coalition Government will introduce legislation this year that will enable roadside drug testing as part of our commitment to improve road safety and restore law and order, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  “Alcohol and drugs are the number one contributing factor in fatal road crashes in New Zealand. In ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Minister responds to review of Kāinga Ora
    The Government has announced a series of immediate actions in response to the independent review of Kāinga Ora – Homes and Communities, Housing Minister Chris Bishop says. “Kāinga Ora is a large and important Crown entity, with assets of $45 billion and over $2.5 billion of expenditure each year. It ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Pseudoephedrine back on shelves
    Associate Health Minister David Seymour is pleased that Pseudoephedrine can now be purchased by the general public to protect them from winter illness, after the coalition government worked swiftly to change the law and oversaw a fast approval process by Medsafe. “Pharmacies are now putting the medicines back on their ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • New Zealand-China Business Summit
    Tēnā koutou katoa. Da jia hao.  Good morning everyone.   Prime Minister Luxon, your excellency, a great friend of New Zealand and my friend Ambassador Wang, Mayor of what he tells me is the best city in New Zealand, Wayne Brown, the highly respected Fran O’Sullivan, Champion of the Auckland business ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • New measures to protect powerlines from trees
    Energy Minister Simeon Brown has announced that the Government will make it easier for lines firms to take action to remove vegetation from obstructing local powerlines. The change will ensure greater security of electricity supply in local communities, particularly during severe weather events.  “Trees or parts of trees falling on ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Wairarapa Moana ki Pouakani win top Māori dairy farming award
    Wairarapa Moana ki Pouakani were the top winners at this year’s Ahuwhenua Trophy awards recognising the best in Māori dairy farming. Māori Development Minister Tama Potaka announced the winners and congratulated runners-up, Whakatōhea Māori Trust Board, at an awards celebration also attended by Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Finance Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • DJ Fred Again – Assurance report received
    "On the 27th of March, I sought assurances from the Chief Executive, Department of Internal Affairs, that the Department’s correct processes and policies had been followed in regards to a passport application which received media attention,” says Minister of Internal Affairs Brooke van Velden.  “I raised my concerns after being ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • District Court Judges appointed
    Attorney-General Judith Collins has announced the appointment of three new District Court Judges, to replace Judges who have recently retired. Peter James Davey of Auckland has been appointed a District Court Judge with a jury jurisdiction to be based at Whangarei. Mr Davey initially started work as a law clerk/solicitor with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Unions should put learning ahead of ideology
    Associate Education Minister David Seymour is calling on the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) to put ideology to the side and focus on students’ learning, in reaction to the union holding paid teacher meetings across New Zealand about charter schools.     “The PPTA is disrupting schools up and down the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Craig Stobo appointed as chair of FMA
    Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly today announced the appointment of Craig Stobo as the new chair of the Financial Markets Authority (FMA). Mr Stobo takes over from Mark Todd, whose term expired at the end of April. Mr Stobo’s appointment is for a five-year term. “The FMA plays ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Budget 2024 invests in lifeguards and coastguard
    Surf Life Saving New Zealand and Coastguard New Zealand will continue to be able to keep people safe in, on, and around the water following a funding boost of $63.644 million over four years, Transport Minister Simeon Brown and Associate Transport Minister Matt Doocey say. “Heading to the beach for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • New Zealand and Tuvalu reaffirm close relationship
    New Zealand and Tuvalu have reaffirmed their close relationship, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says.  “New Zealand is committed to working with Tuvalu on a shared vision of resilience, prosperity and security, in close concert with Australia,” says Mr Peters, who last visited Tuvalu in 2019.  “It is my pleasure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • New Zealand calls for calm, constructive dialogue in New Caledonia
    New Zealand is gravely concerned about the situation in New Caledonia, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.  “The escalating situation and violent protests in Nouméa are of serious concern across the Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says.  “The immediate priority must be for all sides to take steps to de-escalate the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • New Zealand welcomes Samoa Head of State
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon met today with Samoa’s O le Ao o le Malo, Afioga Tuimalealiifano Vaaletoa Sualauvi II, who is making a State Visit to New Zealand. “His Highness and I reflected on our two countries’ extensive community links, with Samoan–New Zealanders contributing to all areas of our national ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Island Direct eligible for SuperGold Card funding
    Transport Minister Simeon Brown has announced that he has approved Waiheke Island ferry operator Island Direct to be eligible for SuperGold Card funding, paving the way for a commercial agreement to bring the operator into the scheme. “Island Direct started operating in November 2023, offering an additional option for people ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Further sanctions against Russia
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters today announced further sanctions on 28 individuals and 14 entities providing military and strategic support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.  “Russia is directly supported by its military-industrial complex in its illegal aggression against Ukraine, attacking its sovereignty and territorial integrity. New Zealand condemns all entities and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago

  • One year on from Loafers Lodge
    A year on from the tragedy at Loafers Lodge, the Government is working hard to improve building fire safety, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “I want to share my sincere condolences with the families and friends of the victims on the anniversary of the tragic fire at Loafers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago

  • Pre-Budget speech to Auckland Business Chamber
    Ka nui te mihi kia koutou. Kia ora and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you so much for having me here in the lead up to my Government’s first Budget. Before I get started can I acknowledge: Simon Bridges – Auckland Business Chamber CEO. Steve Jurkovich – Kiwibank CEO. Kids born ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    6 days ago

  • New Zealand and Vanuatu to deepen collaboration
    New Zealand and Vanuatu will enhance collaboration on issues of mutual interest, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.    “It is important to return to Port Vila this week with a broad, high-level political delegation which demonstrates our deep commitment to New Zealand’s relationship with Vanuatu,” Mr Peters says.    “This ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • Penk travels to Peru for trade meetings
    Minister for Land Information, Chris Penk will travel to Peru this week to represent New Zealand at a meeting of trade ministers from the Asia-Pacific region on behalf of Trade Minister Todd McClay. The annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Ministers Responsible for Trade meeting will be held on 17-18 May ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • Minister attends global education conferences
    Minister of Education Erica Stanford will head to the United Kingdom this week to participate in the 22nd Conference of Commonwealth Education Ministers (CCEM) and the 2024 Education World Forum (EWF). “I am looking forward to sharing this Government’s education priorities, such as introducing a knowledge-rich curriculum, implementing an evidence-based ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • Education Minister thanks outgoing NZQA Chair
    Minister of Education Erica Stanford has today thanked outgoing New Zealand Qualifications Authority Chair, Hon Tracey Martin. “Tracey Martin tendered her resignation late last month in order to take up a new role,” Ms Stanford says. Ms Martin will relinquish the role of Chair on 10 May and current Deputy ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • Joint statement of Christopher Luxon and Emmanuel Macron: Launch of the Christchurch Call Foundation
    New Zealand Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and President Emmanuel Macron of France today announced a new non-governmental organisation, the Christchurch Call Foundation, to coordinate the Christchurch Call’s work to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist content online.   This change gives effect to the outcomes of the November 2023 Call Leaders’ Summit, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Panel announced for review into disability services
    Distinguished public servant and former diplomat Sir Maarten Wevers will lead the independent review into the disability support services administered by the Ministry of Disabled People – Whaikaha. The review was announced by Disability Issues Minister Louise Upston a fortnight ago to examine what could be done to strengthen the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Minister welcomes Police gang unit
    Today’s announcement by Police Commissioner Andrew Coster of a National Gang Unit and district Gang Disruption Units will help deliver on the coalition Government’s pledge to restore law and order and crack down on criminal gangs, Police Minister Mark Mitchell says. “The National Gang Unit and Gang Disruption Units will ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand expresses regret at North Korea’s aggressive rhetoric
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today expressed regret at North Korea’s aggressive rhetoric towards New Zealand and its international partners.  “New Zealand proudly stands with the international community in upholding the rules-based order through its monitoring and surveillance deployments, which it has been regularly doing alongside partners since 2018,” Mr ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • New Chief of Defence Force appointed
    Air Vice-Marshal Tony Davies MNZM is the new Chief of Defence Force, Defence Minister Judith Collins announced today. The Chief of Defence Force commands the Navy, Army and Air Force and is the principal military advisor to the Defence Minister and other Ministers with relevant portfolio responsibilities in the defence ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Government puts children first by repealing 7AA
    Legislation to repeal section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act has been introduced to Parliament. The Bill’s introduction reaffirms the Coalition Government’s commitment to the safety of children in care, says Minister for Children, Karen Chhour. “While section 7AA was introduced with good intentions, it creates a conflict for Oranga ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Defence Minister to meet counterparts in UK, Italy
    Defence Minister Judith Collins will this week travel to the UK and Italy to meet with her defence counterparts, and to attend Battles of Cassino commemorations. “I am humbled to be able to represent the New Zealand Government in Italy at the commemorations for the 80th anniversary of what was ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Charter schools to lift educational outcomes
    The upcoming Budget will include funding for up to 50 charter schools to help lift declining educational performance, Associate Education Minister David Seymour announced today. $153 million in new funding will be provided over four years to establish and operate up to 15 new charter schools and convert 35 state ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • COVID-19 Inquiry terms of reference consultation results received
    “The results of the public consultation on the terms of reference for the Royal Commission into COVID-19 Lessons has now been received, with results indicating over 13,000 submissions were made from members of the public,” Internal Affairs Minister Brooke van Velden says. “We heard feedback about the extended lockdowns in ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • The Pacific family of nations – the changing security outlook
    Foreign Minister, Defence Minister, other Members of Parliament Acting Chief of Defence Force, Secretary of Defence Distinguished Guests  Defence and Diplomatic Colleagues  Ladies and Gentlemen,  Good afternoon, tēna koutou, apinun tru    It’s a pleasure to be back in Port Moresby today, and to speak here at the Kumul Leadership ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • NZ and Papua New Guinea to work more closely together
    Health, infrastructure, renewable energy, and stability are among the themes of the current visit to Papua New Guinea by a New Zealand political delegation, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Papua New Guinea carries serious weight in the Pacific, and New Zealand deeply values our relationship with it,” Mr Peters ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

Page generated in The Standard by Wordpress at 2024-05-21T13:41:24+00:00