The PCUSA’s Israel Palestine Mission Network is again linking to an anti-Semitic web site. This time it’s Salem News, which claims to be news of Oregon and the Pacific Northwest, but which is actually run by the same people who run the anti-Semitic sewer Veterans Today. The article in question is by Mazin Qumsiyeh, a professor at Bethlehem and Birzeit universities.
Qumsiyeh is an interesting character. He is a Palestinian Christian who has taught in the U.S., and says that he is or has been an adviser to the National Council of Churches and Sabeel-North America, has served on the steering committee of the mainline church-supported U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, and was a co-founder of Al-Awda: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition (an organization with ties to, among others, the Stalinist-controlled International ANSWER). He is also an advocate for the dismantling of Israel, and its incorporation into a single state in the Holy Land that would be dominated by the Palestinians, having even written a book about it. He is also (surprise!) a contributing writer to the anti-Semitic VT sister-site My Catbird Seat.
His piece in the Salem News is about what you’d expect. It’s about Bethlehem, and it’s “apartheid wall” this and “racist settlers” that, the usual stuff. It also contains a couple of howlers:
Christmas day was spent mostly in Hebron old city including in a demonstration against the racist settlers who continue to attempt to destroy the old city.
There are 120,000 Palestinians living in Hebron. There are 500 Jewish settlers (who, I will readily grant, have no business being there, and are among the nastiest members of the settler tribe). How 500 Jews are going to “destroy” Hebron is beyond me. Maybe just by being there.
We are the descendents of those first believing Shepherds who saw the star and believed in Jesus. Jesus born in a country called Palestine was thus Palestinian by birth but when he grew up he also challenged a Jewish ruler (Herod) put in place by a Western government.
So the shepherds of the Christmas story were Palestinians, and Jesus was a Palestinian–despite the fact that the Palestinians are Arabs, and Arabs didn’t live in the Levant until after the Islamic invasion of the 7th century. Whatever.
This is the second time in less than a week that IPMN has linked to a VT staff writer at a site other than VT. Apparently they think that if they don’t link to the sewer directly, they won’t come up smelling like garbage. Nice try, folks.
For those of you whose blood pressure is a little low, a reminder of the kind of people IPMN is associating itself with. This is from a piece by J. Bruce Campbell, a staff writer for Veterans Today (he hasn’t been published by Salem News yet, but it’s only a matter of time), whose latest screed includes the following:
In an essay called Jewish Rule, I wrote that American men have to accept responsibility for what the Jews have maneuvered our government to do to the rest of the world. One reader thought this was an outrageous idea and that it was in conflict with my accusation of the Jews for all their crimes against humanity. Yes, the Jews are responsible for all the death and destruction, but we are responsible for allowing them to have it done by our government, in our name. Either we are men or we are slaves to the Jews. Which one would you say we are?
The Jews destroyed Lebanon again, just a few years ago. That’s what the Jews do. The Jews stole over two trillion dollars from the Pentagon. That’s also what they do. The Jews knocked down the World Trade Center because they didn’t want to pay to demolish it legally. That sort of insurance fraud is known as “Jewish lightning.”
The most responsible man in the world right now is an Iranian engineer named Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. That makes him the most powerful man in the world. He is the role model, the man we need to emulate. Not only is he the president of Iran, but he has been accused for years of being one of the revolutionaries who took the 52 American embassy personnel hostage and held them for 444 days.
All American diplomats are spies whose jobs are to subvert and undermine the countries in which they work, and to place paid stooges in power. What our government did to the Iranians was so outrageous, but it took them about twenty-five years to get even a little.
The Iranians are perfectly within their rights to attack the United States based on the many reports of our and Israel’s plan to attack them. The fact is, though, that Moslems do not engage in unprovoked action. They generally don’t engage in very drastic action even when they are provoked, although they have flexed their muscles in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon, purely in self-defense. But we have driven them into a corner, and even a rabbit will bite you if you give it no way out of a corner. If Moslems were as murderous as the Jews claim, Israel would no longer exist as a Zionist entity. It is the Jews and Judaized Americans and Englishmen who attack without provocation, as they continue to prove. Jews are the masters of murder, as they proved with the USS Liberty, 9/11, in Lebanon, not to mention their genocide of Palestinians, of Russians and Ukrainians – and Germans.
(Hat tip: Viola Larsen.)
December 29, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Thanks David,
I started something on this last night but won’t get it done until hopefully tonight. All of this just gets nastier, which makes sense. I think evil and good are like that-they just grow opposite directions.
December 29, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Your language indicates unclear thinking. My writing is anti-Jewish, not anti-Semitic. Veterans Today is, if anything, pro-Semitic in that the writers are in sympathy with the Arabs, not the Russian Jews who occupy the place. And the Palestinians are a hell of a lot closer to the people of the book than a bunch of descendants of converts to Judaism, people who never set foot in the Middle East before the 20th Century.
December 29, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Whatever. You’re a bigot whose language regarding Jews would have made Julius Streicher proud. But feel free to comment all you want–the more haters such as you talk, the more people will recognize the type, and connect it to the people I actually care about in the mainline churches.
December 29, 2010 at 9:06 pm
If a Martian looked over my material and your material, and had to name the “hater,” you’d win. If I were you I wouldn’t let the people you actually care about read my material. You can’t un-ring the bell.
December 29, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Whatever you say, JB. But I’m not the one who wrote this:
Well put, Julius.
December 29, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Again, big risk letting your people read that.
As much as you hate it, I don’t see any corrections made by you.
December 30, 2010 at 10:09 am
No corrections thus far. Your comparing me with Julius Streicher – the way you do it – suggests that you not only approve of the way the US Army killed him for his cartoons and caricatures but that I should be treated the same way. Streicher was hanged in a most sadistic fashion, his death drawn out for several minutes.
Christians can be tricky that way.
December 30, 2010 at 10:19 am
Sorry, JB. I don’t debate with people in insane asylums whether the moon is made of green cheese, and I’m not going to debate your lunacy, either. As far as Streicher is concerned, your response is typical of your paranoia: I only said your writing would have made the old Jew-baiter proud. I said nothing about his fate, the Nuremberg trials, his execution, or whether you deserve the same. That’s your assumption, based on nothing more than a comparison of content. I also notice that you didn’t dispute the comparison regarding content.
Sounds like it’s time for your meds.
December 30, 2010 at 10:48 am
Meds. Paranoia. Typical passive-aggressive defense. The signature of the ill-tempered wimp.
Attack with acid but unable to debate.
December 30, 2010 at 12:16 pm
JB,
The incarnation, God in human (Jewish) flesh is God’s love for lost sinners. You are one of those, an extreme example in fact. If you continue to reject what God has done through Jesus Christ, who in his incarnation is Jewish, all you have left is to continue to do evil and end in the fires of hell. May God have mercy on you and cause you to turn.
December 30, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Powerful argument: believe my way or end in the fires of hell. Christians aren’t so goody-two-shoes as one might think.
Where you Christians get fooled is equating Jews (I assume you mean Levites or Canaanites or maybe Hebrews) with humans, that is, yourselves. But that’s not how the Jews think. They think that only Jews are human and the rest of us insects or cattle or other non-human things to be exploited.
They consider Christians such as yourself to be useful idiots who would be so silly as to admit to worshiping a Jewish messiah, one which they for mysterious reasons deny.
You because of your basic good nature want to think of God as love, but that’s not how Jews see it. Their god, Yahweh, is a god of war, annihilation and inexplicable hatred. Any god that would slaughter all life on earth except for old Noah and his menagerie cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as the word “love.”
December 30, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Mr. Fischler puts the Judeo in Judeo-Christianiy. Many Jews have infiltrated the Christian churches in order to monitor and guide Gentiles in the pro-Israel direction. Calling himself a church planter gives him the cachet of the old-timey Yankee Protestant but he is in fact a hard-core commissar whose mission is to keep the faithful in the Zionist yard.
December 30, 2010 at 4:46 pm
My, my. Someone woke up on the wrong side of the beer hall.
December 30, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Judeo-Christian humor.
December 31, 2010 at 8:22 am
My husband used to work retail. One afternoon, it was freezing rain outside, no customers. His boss spent the afternoon telling him about what he did in the war. He was at Bergen Belsen three days after it was liberated, and was there for six weeks helping with the clean up. When I was growing up in Montreal, it wasn’t uncommon, in the Jewish neighbourhoods, to see people with numbers tatooed on their wrists.
December 31, 2010 at 10:53 am
That’s the awkward thing, all those people walking around with German tattoos. New York’s full of them. Skokie’s full of them. Israel’s full of them. Germany’s paid “reparations” to more than 4.3 million Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, which, when we do some math, suggests that most of those tattoos were bogus. Either that, or there was no extermination program at all.
December 31, 2010 at 1:39 pm
1. A small historical note: Herod the Great was not a Jew. He was an Idumean.
2. I am more than a little disappointed that Mr. Campbell and I share the same last name. Considering what he says he is a racist flake. No person or group has as much power as he says the Jews have. Such mania can only come from a serious brain chemistry disorder or a lack of self worth.
3. The only person of Jewish descent in my congregation is my wife. Maybe Mr. Campbell is referring to the African Immigrants who have recently joined? They must be the undercover sneaky Jews here in Sharon Hill.
December 31, 2010 at 2:11 pm
1. Herod was a practicing Talmudist and ordered the Idumeans to convert to Judaism, which qualifies him at least as an honorary Jew.
2. We Campbells have a lot to live down anyway so my appearance shouldn’t weigh too heavily on you pious ones. Not sure where you find the racism flake in anything I’ve written. Jews aren’t a separate race, are they? Besides your divinity doctorate you evidently have a degree in brain chemistry disorders or at least in Freudian psychoanalysis.
I guess no single group owns all the media groups in America, or all the movie studios or the New York Times, Washington Post, SF Chronicle, LA Times, Wall Street Journal and the radio conglomerates. The TV evangelists aren’t all Christian Zionists. Presumably Brother Bob is a Christian Zionist, considering what he says in
3. Why would I be referring to your new African members as being of Jewish descent?
Regarding undercover sneaky Jews, the Mossad considers all Jews to be sayanim, or helpers. That is, if the Delaware County Mossad guy needs a car or a house or a gun or an abortion, any local Jewish guy is expected to provide what’s needed. Have we ever heard of anyone refusing?
December 31, 2010 at 2:37 pm
It would be very difficult for Herod to be a practicing talmudist since the Talmud did not exist in Herod’s day. In any case he did not convert to Judaism although he did have a Jewish wife.
Jews are people? Wow, an admission I did not expect. I thought they were an inferior race at least according to Nazi propaganda. And sorry, I’m not a Christian Zionist. Certainly not in the theological meaning of the term. And no the whole of the American media is not run by and for Jews. Nice try though. Do you think they run the banking system?
As to my comments about brain chemistry and lack of self worth I was not clear. You should seek some help.
As for your last paragraph there we see the flake part.
December 31, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Pastor Bob: Keep in mind that folks like JB don’t operate according to the same rules of logic or evidence that the rest of the world functions under. For instance, he asserts that Jews own all of American media. If it can be demonstrated that this is false (for instance, by bringing forward the example of the Graham family [Gentiles who own the Washington Post]), that can always be brushed off by saying, “well, they have Jews who work for them and give them orders.” If you then mention that neither the executive editor nor any of his 12 senior editors are Jewish, then he can repair to, “yeah, but who did the Grahams buy the paper from?” It’s nothing more than a six-degrees-of-separation game, but somehow, someway, it always gets back to
Kevin Baconthe Jews.By the way, did you know that Veterans Today recently trumpeted the addition to its staff of potential Mossad helper Gilad Atzmon? JB’s head probably exploded–not that you’d be able to tell.
December 31, 2010 at 3:05 pm
You’re a little off in your history. The Babylonian Talmud was over a hundred years old by the time Herod was born. And you’re full of prunes regarding his Judaism. As Casey Stengel said, You could look it up.
You are also in full denial about the media and banking, so never mind. Obviously your personal situation colors your views.
So, you’re really not qualified to suggest that I should seek some help? What weren’t you clear on? You seemed pretty clear in your remarks about my mania.
You holy Joes are pretty judgmental about people such as I, pretty confident that you can get away with nasty comments about mental health and dark motives, despite warnings from your saviour in that regard.
December 31, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Katharine Graham was Jewish (father Eugene Meyer – mother Harriet Newmark).
Gilad Atzmon and I are friends. So I was very pleased that he joined the VT staff.
December 31, 2010 at 3:37 pm
I suggest you google “Babylonian Talmud.” You will quickly discover that the Misnah was written and edited by 200 AD and the Gemara by 500 AD.
Were there rabbis around before and during the time of Jesus who are quoted in the Talmud? Yes. But the Babylonian Talmud was finished much later.
So Herod couldn’t be a talmudist. He might have been a talmidah (a student).
It always helps to check the facts.
December 31, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Here is some helpful information on Herod. He was only Jewish in the sense that Edomites had become a part of ancient Israel. But ethnically he was an edomite. This is from a paper I have on my web site.
“The nation of Edom was conquered by many nations over the centuries until the time of the Maccabees. ‘Judas Maccabaeus later subdued them (1 Macc. V. 65), and John Hyrcanus compelled them to be circumcised and incorporated into the Jewish people. The Herods were of general Edomite stock.'”
My information for this came from J.A. Thompson, “Edom, Edomites,” The New Bible Dictionary, Editors, J.D. Douglas, F.F. Bruce, J.I. Packer and others, (Leicester, England: Inter-Varsity Press 1963), 335.
December 31, 2010 at 4:03 pm
The oral Talmud was developed during the Babylonian exile, which was five or six hundred years before Herod was born. Whether oral or written, it’s the same thing. The point is, Herod was what today we call a Jew and he ordered the Idumeans to convert to Talmudism, the same as the Khazars were so ordered around 800.
December 31, 2010 at 4:12 pm
J.B. I just gave you the correct information-it was not Herod who incorporated them into Israel. And he was not an ethnic Jew.
Herod was certainly not a Talmudist. Instead he was a very wicked man who cared little for the law.
The Khazars were not ordered to convert but did so of their own volition. They were however a small part of the Jewish people.
December 31, 2010 at 4:32 pm
You must think that wickedness and the Talmud are mutually exclusive! What Talmudist cares for the law? Of course, if we’re talking about The Law (Deuteronomy), that’s different.
However, the two sky pilots with whom I’ve been conversing haven’t the character to reply to my comments about their hypocrisy.
December 31, 2010 at 4:38 pm
JB,
The two sky pilots you are conversing with are holy and righteous Christian pastors, and friends of mine. You are nothing but a monster who has some time left to repent and seek forgiveness of the Jewish people you have been slandering.
December 31, 2010 at 5:37 pm
All generalizations are faulty (including this one)
The Jews (including this one)are individuals
not a group. I wish they had the power that the anti Jews are giving them.
The story that the Jews murdered the Germans is a laugh. The biggest antisemites, namely
Hitler Goering and Goebbels committed suicide.
I recommend this treatment to their anti jewish survivors.
December 31, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Hmm. How should I respond to a fine Christian lady who says I’m a monster, a Jew who for some time now has been wishing for my death and a couple of sanctimonious, psalm-singing SOBs who hide their hatred of anyone who resists the Jewish takeover of the world – one a Jew and the other married to a Jewish lady. This is Judeo-Christianity in a nutshell!
Jews may rant and rave about Christians, but secretly they rejoice that so many Gentiles are suffering from this cancer of the intellect that destroys resistance to them. Those whom the Jews destroy they first make Christian.
December 31, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Why, JB, that’s almost lyrical. Sounds something like this:
Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihen fest geschlossen!
SA marschiert mit ruhig, festem Schritt.
Kam’raden, die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen,
Marschier’n im Geist in unser’n Reihen mit.
Happy new year, Gauleiter!
December 31, 2010 at 8:28 pm
JB It may or may not be bad character to sleep on one’s day off but I was.
The oral Talmud (specifically the Mishna) began to be developed during the Babylonian exile. It certainly wasn’t finished then. Check out the Shemmai/Hillel stories from the late 1st Century BC.
Nice of you to call my wife a lady. She is not a Jew as her mother was baptized as was she. That makes one a non Jew from a Jewish perspective. Nevertheless I am sure the Nazis (and the Inquisition) would still have considered her a Jew and found her a nice warm oven or pyre on which to be burned at the stake and .
There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian or Judeo-Christianity. This was and is an attempt to claim joint ethical views in America during the 20th Century. You seem to be using the word in another way. In any case while the two religions share the OT as Scripture and some ethics they have rather different beliefs including whether Jesus was/is the Messiah and whether God can be described as a Trinity. Further one does not become a Christian by birth. One does become a Jew by birth. Finally Christians and Jews use different processes to think about ethical issues.
December 31, 2010 at 9:11 pm
The Nazis were the best thing that ever happened to the (Zionist) Jews, in so many ways. First, the Transfer Agreement – Ha’avara. The only way Jews could be put into Palestine, where they had no business, since their ancestors had never set foot there. Adolf Eichmann was the SS manager of the Ha’avara and Yitzhak Shamir was the manager at the other end, in Palestine.
When Eichmann was warned by Jim Taylor in Buenos Aires that the Jews were after him, he said, “Why? I never did anything but help them.” They hanged him by way of thanks.
The big Holocaust lie gave the Jews their license to kill, which they have used every day since the war was over.
Again, the Canadian Jewish News reported in ’81 that 4.3 million Jews had applied for payments from the German government as of ’80. The Germans had paid over $50 billion to them at that point. I notice that no one on this truth-loving website is curious about this anomaly.
And, now, people such as you are able to silence critics by calling them Nazis, which is a hell of a gift. Your main problem these days is that no one gives a damn about Jews anymore, what with their extermination program against Palestine and their slaughtering and wounding humanitarians bringing aid to the Jews’ starving victims, all sponsored and paid for by American Christians.
You’re a little hyperbolic with the burning at the stake business, but that was a Christian thing.
No such thing as Judeo-Christianity? Okay. Let’s just call it Judaism. And I agree that Jews and Christians use WAY different processes to think about ethical issues. Actually, Jews don’t have any ethical issues, do they? Did any Jew object to the Gaza flotilla massacre? Come to think of it, did any Christian?
December 31, 2010 at 9:18 pm
I think this “conversation” has been useless for some time now. I would suggest ending it.
December 31, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Homeland Security, the conversation cop. You could stop it, if you knew the magic words.
December 31, 2010 at 10:58 pm
“Again, the Canadian Jewish News reported in ’81 that 4.3 million Jews had applied for payments from the German government as of ’80.” And if you want to meet some people that are really pissed off about this you ought to talk with some Jews. They figure if you and yours weren’t in the camps then you are a major criminal for claiming money.
Oh, and like it or not the Nazis kept records of who and when they killed people. Adding up the names on the various lists should give us at least a small figure. Further they were foolish enough to take photos and make movies in the camps.
If we were talking about the Gypsies, Polish Intelligentsia, the Communists, the homosexuals, etc., would you still say that the Nazi’s didn’t kill people in concentration camps? A lot of people seem to forget that more like 12 million died in the camps.
“The Nazis were the best thing that ever happened to the (Zionist) Jews, in so many ways. First, the Transfer Agreement – Ha’avara. The only way Jews could be put into Palestine, where they had no business, since their ancestors had never set foot there. Adolf Eichmann was the SS manager of the Ha’avara and Yitzhak Shamir was the manager at the other end, in Palestine.”
You really believe this crap, don’t you? Amazing! Simple math: how many Jews were in Europe and spread through the rest of the world in 1935? How many got out of Europe? How many Jews were there in the world (or specifically in Palestine) in 1947? I suspect that simple math will tell us a lot about where the “missing Jews” went.
As for the word Nazi, please notice that I have not called you a Nazi. I don’t like the way the word gets tossed around so freely. A Nazi is a person with a belief that a particular socio economic system is the best system by which to run a country. That socio economic system is poor at best.
Unfortunately if you add in some history a particular group of Nazis got their street creds by beating up on the opposition (mainly the communists at the beginning) and later by blaming everything on the Jews. This particular group (the Germans) added some curious religious/racial mythology about the Germanic race. What they failed to consider is that since everyone from the Romans to every tribe that came out of the east conquered and left their genes in Germany. There really was no Aryan ideal.
This group thought they needed more land for their nation state so they did what most nations do: they stole other people’s land by means of war. Unfortunately they weren’t very nice to the natives who in some instances (the people in Balkan states and the Ukranians) hailed them as liberators. But then the Slavs were not Aryans and they had the land. The Aryans wanted the land, not the Ukranians, etc. They oppressed the non Aryans. Not a pretty story. If you include the deaths in the Pacific around 60 million died directly or indirectly between 1930 and 1945 as a result of the war.
As for your remarks about the Nazis being the best thing that ever happened to the Jews because of this mythical transfer of European Jews to Palestine I suggest you consider the fact that at the time the British controlled Palestine and were not letting more Jews into Palestine. Or England for that matter. AND there are written/typed documents by German Nazis about the “Final Solution.” There was no mention in that particular text about free, permanent vacations in Palestine.
As to whether European Jews are descendants of a group that lived in Jewish nations (Israel and Judah) between 11 BC and 587 BC I suggest you check the genetic work being done. There is a strong correlation between certain male genes in Ashkenazi and Shephardic Jews. The Khazar theory does not hold water. Further the studies of Kohenic ancestry are very clear that there is a strong genetic grouping.
As to whether Israel as a nation should persecute Palestinians is an important topic for discussion. It would be very nice to have such a discussion apart from the lies you seem to believe.
I think you will find that the author of this blog and many others like myself believe in a 2 state solution. We aren’t quite the trained monkeys that you think we are.
January 1, 2011 at 4:26 am
If you believe in a “two-state solution,” then you are, not trained monkeys, but definitely Zionist dupes. Russian Jews have no right to set foot in Palestine or the entire Mid-East without an invitation from their hosts, and I don’t recall one ever been given. Whether Israel should persecute Palestinians a topic of discussion? Gee! As if whatever happened or didn’t happen in Europe had some connection with the Palestinians, that the Jews are entitled to kill them and dispossess them because of Europe.
You live in a Zionist dream world with your dreamy ideas about totalitarian Jews from Russia living next to Palestinians, as if they somehow deserve to do so. Don’t dismiss what I say about Eichmann and Shamir until you read Edwin Black’s book on the Transfer Agreement, and The Seventh Million, by Tom Segev. Both Zionist Jews.
You and your crazy figures: 12 million? The Red Cross figured the total dead, mostly of typhus, was 300,000 or so – some of whom were Jews. You have no idea how many Jews were in Europe. You probably don’t know that, twenty years ago, the “death toll” at Auschwitz went from four million to one million, still a fairy tale, with no subtraction from the magic six million figure. Why? Because the Talmud claims that six million Jews must be burnt before the messiah comes. They must think old Yahweh won’t know they’re lying.
I recommend this video tour of Auschwitz by David Cole, an American Jew, in ’92:
It resulted in his extorted apology from the JDL and his subsequent disappearance, but his work speaks for itself. It ocntains a few surprises, such as the admission by the museum director that the “gas chamber” is a fake, a “reconstruction” by the Soviets in the early ’50s.
Everything you think you know about the Nazis and the Jews is one huge collection of Jewish lies. In the words of Guy Burgess, they pissed in your soup and you drank it.